Soviet Military Equipment On Flatcars
|February 14, 1998
Are We Shipping the Russians Out?
On one side, I'm thinking about the
fact that Russia has said it won't side with the U.S.A. regarding planned
attacks on Iraq. Are we shipping the Russians out?
the other side, I'm thinking about the fact that our U.S.A. troops are
stationed in over 130 countries around the globe. And that, the U.N. has
troops located in various parts of our nation. Is the U.N. up to something?
the speculation means nothing. But, this one warrants some research. I
know absolutely zilch about the equipment mentioned. It certainly sounds
Thanks David for sending
Rick's message forward.
And what is our Congress
doing? Well *%#!, their usual. They decided yesterday to take another
weeks vacation. They won't be back in session until the 24th.
at work I witnessed something very bizarre, we have a train track behind
my building... About 11:00 pm tonight I heard a train passing, this is
strange as it is a semi residential area and usually trains doing run past
10:00 pm... So I looked out the back windows and saw a flat car after flat
car of what looked like tarped farm equipment... The train was moving fairly
slowly and the walk from my building to the track is about 50 meters so
I strolled over to take a closer look... As I got closer something struck
me as odd, the railheaded vehicles looked military... As I got right up
to the track I saw one of the vehicles coming up the track had the tarp
partially off and what I saw under the tarp shocked me... It was a ZSU-23-4
Soviet Anti Aircraft vehicle... As I watched I saw what looked like BRDM's,
BMP's, more ZSU's and the real kicker, and no joking here people... T-72's!!!!!!
Now all the other vehicles shocked me but the "possible" T-72's sacred
the hell out of me... I started counting the outlines of the potential
T-72's and there were 40 minimum... Who knows how many might have gone
by before I walked out, all together there were an estimated 100 vehicles
that I counted, not counting what had already gone by and this was a long
train!!!!! The rail there were on was a western track header toward Kansas,
I say again west... At the end of the train were ten boxcars two of which
had lights on inside them but I could only see light coming from inside
nothing else... I am in Kansas City and witnessed this myself, no second
hand info here, I personally saw this... Distribute as you see fit
While I had 8 years in the service it was in the Navy, not the Army, so
I'm not totally familiar with all the Soviet equipment types, nevertheless:
ZSU-23-4 Anti-Aircraft vehicle: This is a tank like vehicle
that mounts 4 "small" gatling guns in it's open turret. Used against aircraft
that have descended to low altitude in order to do strafing runs and ground
attacks against the unit that this vehicle is attached to. I believe that
the guns can be depressed low enough that they would be a significant threat
to infantry that got too close to it.
In short, this stuff not only sounds ominous, it is ominous. The U.S. Marine
Corps was able to function as well as they were in the last war that we
had with Iraq because of their practice of prepositioning the gear that
they thought they would need in a certain area already loaded onto ships
that were anchored at a secure U.S. forward base. Thus, all the Marines
had to do when it came time to put ground forces in Saudi Arabia was to
put their troops onto planes and troop transports sans gear, and get them
to Saudi as fast as they could. In the meantime, the already loaded ships
were dispatched from the forward base with the gear to meet the Marines
as they arrived. Thus, the Marine units were able to get themselves and
their gear to Saudi Arabia in a fraction of the time that it would have
BRDM: I'm not sure. I think this could be a tracked mobile rocket
launcher. If this is the piece of equipment I think it is, the rockets
it uses can be equipped with either high explosive, nuclear, chemical or
Note: I was mistaken when I wrote the paragraph above describing
what a BRDM is. A BRDM is essentially an armored reconnaisance vehicle, not
an armored missile launching substitute for heavy artillery. While that type
of equipment was not included in the stuff that was seen on the train, it has
been spotted elsewhere in this country by other people at other times.
THE SPOTLIGHT once ran several pages worth of pictures that had been
taken of the heavy missile launcher in various locations throughout America.
BMP: Armored Personnel Carrier. Depending on what exact type
it is and my foggy memory, it could carry anywhere from 6 to 12 troops,
be equipped with a couple of machine guns, and have armor heavy enough
to laugh at anything less potent than a Browning .50 caliber heavy machine
T-72: Soviet Main Line Battle Tank. While this tank is not a
good match for our modern Abrams, and even our older main battle tank could
handle it pretty well; it will likely have any lesser tank or other armored
vehicle for lunch. This model of tank and the others of it's ilk in the
Soviet arsenal are the main reasons why they have pretty much been able
to crush recalcitrant civilians any time that they want to. This tank is
potentially a major threat to Constitutionalist militia formations in America
which by and large have no tanks, artillery, or any effective infantry
portable anti-tank weapons that could be used against them.
Now, given that there is all this Soviet style equipment here, a similar
operation could be run against this country. All they need to do is to
get their troops here. Their heavy armored equipment is already here waiting
for them. That's why some of us militia types get so exercised over sightings
of all this equipment. There appears to be a lot more of this in
country than can be accounted for by the need to have Soviet style vehicles
for (1) study [have to find out exactly how they operate and what their
weak points are] and (2) target practice [why should we shoot our own gear?].
Foreign troops training here arguably wouldn't need Soviet style equipment
because we're allegedly training them as "friendly" troops on our own equipment.
So, the only other logical explanation for all that gear is that they are
prepositioning it here for use here. Which automatically implies that the
troops who would be using it are not our troops because our troops don't
use that gear. However, any attempt to try to explain that to people in
general will immediately get you labled as "paranoid" and "crazy".
- Mike Johnson/Militia at large
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