County Commission Meeting: Mediated Settlement Agreement
Excerpt - Transcript March 20, 2003
This occurred near the end of a long meeting, just before the Commissioners voted.
Earlier in the meeting, Commissioner Chestnut made a motion to approve the
mediated settlement agreement. Commissioner Pinkoson
seconded. After public comments, Commissioner Byerly read
his statement against the mediated "Settlement Agreement" into the
record.
The following is a transcription of the next part of the meeting:
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RL = Chair Rodney Long
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PW = Commissioner Penny Wheat
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RD = Rick Drummond, Director of Growth Management
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CC = Commissioner Cynthia Chestnut
RL: The chair recognizes Commissioner Wheat.
Commissioner Wheat you are on record.
PW: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I too would like to thank all
of you for spending your evening to come out and share
your concerns and your suggestions with us. I've learned
a great deal, but Mr. Chair, I'm still trying to understand
the proposal that is the subject of the motion on the floor.
Is there someone who could put up the map titled
"Preliminary Proposed Expansion of the Urban Services
Line? " That's the one that was included in our
documentation tonight.
RL: Mr. Drummond ... staff...
PW: Thank you very much. As I understand it, those
bright green areas are areas that are being added to the
area within what's called our Urban Services Line. Is that
correct?
RD: Mr. Chair, that is correct.
WP: Mr.Drummond, how will the owners of that green
property that's now included within the Urban Services Line benefit in a
way they would not benefit if it were not green?
RD: The benefit would be that in order to develop their
property, they would not have to comply with all of the
provisions of Policy 7.1.3.b that require them to address
certain things like schools in a regional, not a county-wide
method; it requires them to address transit which can be
locally provided in that part of RTS. There are 7 issues
that they would have to show what the future long-range
transportation planning would require if they were outside
of the Urban Services Line.. The plan as adopted last year would allow for
consideration of development outside the Urban Services Line, regardless
of whether they are inside or outside they would have to
provide central water and sewer and meet all other
concurrency requirements, but there are some provisions
that the plan contains in that one policy I referred to that
would be added requirements for any development
proposals outside of the Urban Services Line.
PW: And why was it, do you recall, that the commission
included that... at your recommendation?
RD: It was...It had to do with the timing of...a better
focus of the timing of development relative to the, uh,
availability of services. Like I said before, we used the
water and sewer lines as the primary indicator, but the
other services are important urban services as well. That
was the primary reason.
PW: And the areas in green, do any of them have
approval by the Development Review Committee or
Master Zoning Approval by the county commission?
RD: Actually, quite a few of the areas in green already
have development approval and have developed,
principally in large-lot subdivisions with septic tanks and
private wells.
PW: And can you, Mr. Drummond, since I have no idea,
can you point out, if you have a pointer, please, who the
property owners are of all those green parcels that you
have listed?
RD: No. Who the property owners are?
PW: Yes
RD: I can't.
PW: Can you provide that in writing to the commission?
RD: Yes.
PW: OK.
RD: Including all the subdivision lots?
PW: I'd just like to know who owns all those green areas
you have identified on the map.
Mr. Drummond, are there other property owners who may
be similarly situated but whose property is not being
included the Urban Services Line? For example, are there other property
owners out there who may very well want the same
benefits you described earlier, but whose property is not
being included within the Urban Services Line?
RD: I wouldn't necessarily call them similarly situated,
but I'm sure there are people both inside and outside of
the Urban Cluster and Urban Services Line who would
like the benefits of being in the Urban Services Line.
PW: So then, the action that is being proposed by the
motion on the floor specifically benefits these property
owners but not any others. Thank you very much, Mr.
Drummond.
RD: {hard to hear. Could be "My pleasure."}
PW: I have another question. Policy 7.1.3 states that, as
part of. the periodic update of the comprehensive plan and
any proposed amendments to the Urban Cluster, the county
commission is to determine a sufficient and non-excessive
amount of land within the Urban Cluster to accommodate urban uses
for a 10 year and a 20 year time frame. Now the last time
we talked about this, Mr. Drummond, you told us that
there was a surplus of acreage available. Could you put
that map back up, please? You told us there was a surplus
of acreage available to accommodate projected population
needs for both the year 2010 and the year 2020. It that
still the case?
RD: That's correct.
PW: And do you recall if the surplus of acreage needed
to accommodate projected population growth for the year
2010 and the year 2020, those percentages as I recall was
something like a 148% and 150% and 259%.
RD: I don't recall those numbers, but...
PW: But anyway, there is more than enough vacant land,
both within the Urban Services Line and within the Urban Cluster to provide for the
expected population to come to Alachua County by the year
2020.
RD: Yes, I've testified to that before.
PW: There's more than enough needed. That would
seem to me that it is...excessive. So then, my question is
this: Policy 7.1.3 lays out a methodology to determine the
amount of land necessary. And Policy 7.1.3.b states that,
if the comparison shows that the land available is less than
the forecasted need for land for the population periods,
the following measures shall be considered:
1. "Revisions to density standards and land development
regulation or other measures to accommodate greater
population within the existing UC." The proposal that is
contained within the motion on the floor tonight adds 400
acres to the Urban Cluster. Mr. Drummond, was Policy 7.1.3.b.1
followed to consider revisions to density standards and
land development regulations to accommodate greater
population within the existing Urban Cluster without adding 400
acres first?
RD: {No response}
PW: Did you consider changes to the land development
regulations, or density standards to accommodate more
population within the Urban Cluster without adding the 400 acres?
RD: We are presently considering that.
PW: I'm sorry, I don't understand.
RD: We didn't, we did not do an analysis, um, um, in
response to the Board's direction that was provided to us
the last time.
PW: OK So in other words, you did not consider what
the adopted plan says, which is if the county wants to
consider a need for more land, the county should first
revise density standards and land development regulations
to accommodate a greater population within the existing
Urban Cluster?
RD: Mr. Chair, we took into account the comprehensive
plan that's currently in effect.
PW: OK. So did you consider coordination with the
municipalities regarding possible reallocation of
forecasted need for more land to other incorporated areas?
RD: Since this policy isn't in effect, we didn't take the
detail into consideration.
PW: This is important, Mr. Chair, because, obviously, the
Planning Staff recommended this for a reason and the
commission adopted it for a reason. I'm just trying to
understand why none of these things will be taken into
consideration in this process.
Policy 7.1.3.c states if there is a forecasted need for one
type of land use that exceeds the supply of land for that
particular use, a revision to the allocation of land uses
within the Urban Cluster shall be considered before the Urban Cluster is
expanded. That wasn't considered either.
RD: I don't know if the board took that into
consideration when they gave us that direction, or not.
PW: OK Policy 7.1.3 C states the Urban Services Line shall be
reevaluated prior to 2006 for adequate capacity based on a
range of factors. In addition, this evaluation shall take
into account the ability to provide infrastructure and
services beyond the Urban Services Line. {looking through pages} I
apologize, if you'll hang with me for just a minute...
Mr. Drummond, do you have any data and analysis to
support the addition of the 400 acres into the Urban Cluster as well
as the other 2400 acres into the Urban Services Line?
RD: No, I don't... at this time.
PW: OK Mr. Chair, I just have one final question. I'm
not going to spend all the time that would be necessary to
go piece by piece through this proposal. But my question
is of Commissioner Chestnut.
The motion on the floor, Commissioner Chestnut, as you
know since you placed it there, would eliminate protection
for public water supply well fields. Why do you want to
do that?
{long pause}
CC: "Um... Commissioner Wheat, I don't care to share
that with you at this time."
Commissioner Wheat then read her prepared statement into the record and proposed a substitute motion to reaffirm the adopted 2002 growth management plan. Commissioner
Byerly promptly seconded.
After all commissioners made statements, Chair Rodney
Long, Commissioner Cynthia Chestnut and Commissioner
Lee Pinkoson voted YES to adopt the mediated selltment
agreement. Commissioner Mike Byerly and
Commissioner Penny Wheat voted NO.
Transcribed by Ellie Schwab, November 6, 2003
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