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One of the things that I particularly loved was that the ending scene left no certainty or peace. It has been said that Lao Ma intended for Xena to kill Ming T'ien, but I don't think that Lao Ma would have had that intention, and if she had, she would have done it herself. I think that she was offering again to Xena the opportunity that she had passed up with Borias, to act from the 'mystery of things' rather than imposing her desire on Ming T'ien. The whole of the story, IMO, centered around whether Xena would make a reasoned emotional choice or remain in the state of consciouslessness and react. The ending seemed to say that Xena did not. She loosed her unreasoned self and beat, killed, and POSED him after he was defeated. I think Lucy was wonderful. She played a stoic running with rampant emotion. Wow.
As for Gabrielle, she has taken quite a beating for her crimes. I agree that her actions here are way out of character for the Gabrielle we have learned to love in seasons one and two, but a helluva lot has happened since then. She has had her fundamental being broken. Think of the end of The Deliverer where, sitting in the rubble of what she had hoped for and clinging to an emotionally inadequate Xena, she says, "Everything's changed." Her trust in Xena is gone. Not just her trust in Xena, but her trust in the certainty of Xena's redemption. Xena was the reactive, unreasoning being when she hunted Gabrielle and Hope. The sadness in Gabrielle's eyes as she said, "I know," to Xena's apology at the end of Gabrielle's Hope signaled that realization, I believe.
It makes sense to me then that Gabrielle would then believe that if Xena was to be redeemed she would have to intervene. She has to believe it is *possible* even if she can no longer be certain. Think of where we are now in the saga from the opening salvo of Destiny in which Gabrielle's rock like faith is evident. "Xena you've changed." It is common, if misguided for humans to try to "save" others from their choices (It is a definition of fundamentalsim.). The most painful part of the arc so far, IMHO, is the scene of Gabrielle screaming at Xena, slapping her trying to get her to see her (Gabrielle's) way to freedom and redemption. She is trying to impose her will on Xena. That is the point at which Xena flashed back to herself at the crux of her healing possibility. Part of Xena's tears had to be for Gabrielle when she recognized that she was caught in the same lesson unlearned.
That Gabrielle would go to Ming T'ien to prevent Xena from commiting murder is a measure of the degree of her love for Xena, and the degree of her moral confusion. In the dungeon Gabrielle weighs the reasons for her actions against the consequences and is defeated that they do not add up. When Xena shows her compassion, she offers back to Gabrielle what Gabrielle has been offering her all along, unconditional love, and finds within herself the ability to take a (another) step toward the unconditional love she has been offer by, M'Lila, Lao Ma, and Gabrielle, which is a step toward selflove. At the end in the midst of all the deception, betrayal and just downright messiness of relationship, they profess their love for one another, anyway. Stunning. Not your average bear.
Some things I thought were interesting:
The sunburst table top from Gabrielle's Hope (and the TV Guide Lucy photo,
BTW) was the background of the healing of Xena's legs. I can't see that
as prop-coincidence given that these episodes are a single arc. The table
in Gabrielle's Hope was the 'round table' of the Briton soldiers, a symbol
of reason and cooperation. Niether can I see it as actor coincidence that
Martin Csokas played both Krafstar and Borias. It makes me wonder about
Solon. And it also planted the idea that Hope could possibly be the
reincarnation of Lao Ma.
Beautiful. Bravo. They have topped The Price for me. If this trend keeps up I'll have a library of video taped bliss.
c. 1997 DebR
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I really wanted to like this episode-I haven't been able to list a single third season ep as a favorite yet, and I had high hopes for 'The Debt'.
Alas, after watching part one, I'm hoping the conclusion will address and answer some major problems I had with this ep.
Are Xena and Gabrielle still in Brittania
What in the world has Gabrielle got to be so dreamily contented about as
the ep starts? She practically beams with satisfied contentment, even
before Xena comes up to her. What about the events that happened to her in
'The Deliverer'? What about the events that happened to her in
'Gabrielle's Hope?' Just last week we saw Gabrielle lie to Xena about the
"death" of the baby she desperately wanted to raise herself to ensure it
would "be good". Just last week Xena became an ancient Greece version of
'The Terminator', ready to kill Gabriele's child, her "hope". At the end
of 'GH' I wondered- can Gabrielle possibly have any love left for Xena at
all?
Yet at the begining of 'TD' we are presented with this seemingly
unbelievable exchange of dialouge between X&G, given the events of the
past two weeks:
Gabrielle: "Everything's fine"..."Thank you...you stuck by me through
everything."
Xena: "Likewise I'm sure."
G: "I hope I never disappoint you, Xena."
X: "Impossible."
G: "I've learned that anything is possible."
OH PLEASE! Talk about a classic case of clusmy "foreshadowing"! That
entire scene practically telegraphs what will occur in the final scene of
this ep. VERY subtle-like a brick through a plate glass window:(!
The only positive in this entire scene, IMO: Gabrielle picking up that
there was someone hiding in the brush before Xena did.
Does it seem like the fight scenes this season -excluding the scenes from
Xena's flashbacks in this ep-have gotten bigger, longer, and more
frenetic? That Xena herself has been more "ruthless" in combat than at any
other time except during episodes from the first half of the first season?
And where was Gabrielle during the melee' between Xena and the Chin
warriors? Paralyzed by guilt over the loss of her blood innocence?
Dutifully tending to the wounded messenger while her "best friend" is
being attacked by a handful of skilled warriors? Or is it more likely TPTB
thought it'd be "way kewl" to just show Xena single handedly kicking some
"ninja" butt:(?
To the TPTB's credit, Gabrielle tries her damndest to get Xena to open up
to her, to tell her exactly "why" she must undertake this mission of
"murder". That is very much in character for the bard.
But as Xena tells her tale, Gabrielle soon becomes reluctant to want to
hear anymore about this story of "war, greed, hate." She's obviously
uncomfortable with what she's hearing. And that is very much not in
character for the bard when talking with Xena.
Excuse me, but hasn't Gabrielle been traveling with Xena for well over two
years now? Hasn't she met enough friends, foes, and acquaintances of the
Warrior Princess to get a pretty good idea of just why she was called
"Destroyer of Nations"? She's gotten an up close and personal look at
Xena's dark side in 'The Price', stood up to it, and helped "defeat" it,
for cryin' out loud!
For Gabrielle to suddenly become so " blindly judgemental" of Xena's past
and how that affects who she is now seems very off character to me.
Remember during the campfire scene in 'Callisto' how Xena admitted the
"truth" about what happened at Curra
Flash forward to 'A Necessary Evil'. Xena stands in the middle of a town
square and tells a VERY different story about the destruction of Curra. It
was by her direct order that the village was burned and every living thing
killed. And Gabrielle's reaction to this direct contradiction of what Xena
had told her earlier? Nothing-except for a reassuring touch on Xena's arm
as she walked past the bard.
So if Gabrielle can "forgive", "understand" and keep trying to "reach"
Xena through all these events and revelations concerning the Warrior
Princess, both past and present, why this sudden "naivete" and readiness
to judge on her part? Why is Xena so sure Gabrielle "wouldn't understand"?
When Xena told Gabrielle that her story was ultimately about love, why
didn't that catch the bard's attention and make her demand the whole story
from the warrior? Why did Gabrielle let Xena get on that ship alone and
THEN decide she had to act to stop her?
The Xena and Gabrielle I've come to know and love over the past two
seasons would have tried harder to comminicate. The Gabrielle I know and
love would have accompanied Xena on the ship, trying to find out why Xena
felt killing the Green Dragon was the ONLY answer, and trying to
find/offer other ways to deal with the situation.
And then, once they reached the land of Chin, if Xena was still undeterred
in her single mindedness to carry out her "debt", THEN Gabrielle could
have parted from her and acted on her own.
After witnessing such out of character actions, I am again drawn back to
the conclusion that this storyline is yet another example of the "prime
directive" of TPTB during season three: plot over character, first, last,
and always.
Of course this could all be answered satisfactorily in the conclusion, so
I'll leave this issue alone for now.
So, was there anything I liked about this ep? Yep. I liked seeing XenaDark
again. It's always a wicked thrill to see that part of the warrior-cold,
cruel, deceptive. A master manipulator whose only lust is for power and
will do _ANYTHING_ to achieve that goal. Always thinking, planning,
scheming. Cunning and dangerous.
Xena's own analysis of her psyche post Ceasar-wanting to hurt the entire
world the way she'd been hurt-was dead on target.
And the heads on spikes scene was stone cold-and I mean that in a "good"
way:)!
Yet there were times I felt that Lucy had Xena acting almost like a surly
teenager who was cheesed off cause she couldn't borrow her parent's
car;-)!
This ep was well directed, and beautifully photographed. LoDuca's music
was as reliable as ever. The costumes looked great. The scenes leading up
to the "shocking" conclusion of the ep were visually stunning: Xena
coating her body with mud for camouflage; Xena's head breaking the surface
of the water, long hair slicked back, knife clenched in her teeth; Xena
gracefully stalking through the chamber filled with rotating wicker
birdcages and globes. All very slick, very well done. All nice pieces of
eye candy. 'TD" was definately the best looking Xena ep I've seen in a
long while.
Marton (Khrafstar) Csokas as Borias made little impression on me, except
that I didn't like the way he manhandled Xena throughout the episode. And
where did he pick up that ridiculous accent? Sounded like the late Bela
Lugosi channeled through Gary Oldman;-)!
Jacqueline Kim did a fine job as Lao Ma. And while I did "appreciate" the
sensual interactions between Lao Ma and Xena-the long, lingering looks,
the underwater "kiss of life", the bath and hair brushing scene-they never
connected with me on an emotional level.
I still see more love and depth of feeling in one fleeting glance bewteen
Xena and Gabrielle than in all the scenes with Xena and Lao Ma combined.
At least in the glances X&G gave each other during the past two seasons,
anyway. This third season is rapidly becoming another matter in that area.
Note to TPTB: the "kill em' all!" line is already in danger of beoming
overused-ease up on it a bit, okay;-)?
How did Gabrielle beat Xena to Chin? How did she get so "chummy" with the
Green Dragon that he outfitted her with a fine dress, earrings, and
pearls?
The flashback to key X&G moments Xena has just before deciding to go ahead
with her "mission" seemed more like an "obligatory" show of conscience
than anything else. It had no emotional impact on me.
What finally did effect me emotionally was the scene at the very end when
Xena and Gabrielle exchange glances. The look of hurt, guilt, and betrayal
in both their eyes was simply heartbreaking.
I can only hope that the conclusion of 'The Debt" will make up for what to
me has been a nigh miserable third season to date.
c. 1997 EmperorPenguin
EmperorPenguin on: The Debt II
I am not in favor of a show where the two lead characters get along
famously all the time with nary a cross word between them. I fully
realize every relationship has it's moments of stress, strain, and
instability. I also realize such events _IF_ handled smartly and
properly can provide engrossing, challenging, and entertaining drama.
But as I have said over and over and over again, it is the _manner_ in
which TPTB are handling this whole "rift arc" that angers, frustrates,
dismays and appalls me.
In all likelihood, this will be my last episode commentary on Xena for
the year. I'm strongly inclined to give 'King Of Assassins' a pass, and
in a way I'm almost glad there's so many weeks of repeats coming up. I
can take the time I used to devote to watching new eps and writing
commentary and put it towards preperations for the upcoming holidays. I
also need some time to "take a step back" and do some soul searching so
I can come to a decision about whether Xena is still a show I want to
invest my emotions in and if reasoned, intelligent dissent about the
series is worth posting anymore.
Anyhow, here are my thoughts, comments, and opinions on 'TDII'.
I'll list the good stuff first:
The flashbacks to Xena's past in both episodes. I _LIKED_ seeing
XenaDark, even though I thought Lucy Lawless often walked over the edge
and overplayed the "bad" Xena in an irritatingly exaggerated manner.
Interpreting the "dark side" doesn't give an actor free rein to "go over
the top".
XenaDark and Lao Ma. I got a much stronger impression of the love
between them in part II. This wasn't subtext, it was maintext,
especially on Lao Ma's part. The scene after she heals Xena's crippled
legs then uses her "powers" to unfurl the tapestry and wrap it around
Xena's body, drawing them into a close embrace was lovely to see. The
"dancing in the air" scene had a definate "courtship" feel to it.
Unfortunately for Lao Ma, she miscalculates Xena's desire to change. At
first Xena sees Lao Ma much as she did M'Lila-someone who possesses a
great power/fighting style that she wants to learn and use to achieve
her own ends.
But as Lao Ma's "teachings" begin to touch Xena's shattered soul, she
makes an ultimately fatal error-she reunites Xena and Borias. BIG
MISTAKE. That's like letting two piranha loose in a tank full of
tropical fish.
Instantly XenaDark reappears and proceeds to beat the hot tar out of
Borias-which was apparently just a bit of "foreplay" for the feral
pair;-)!
This leads to the deadly "game" where Xena is the "prize". Xena and
Borias quickly reconnect and "stack the deck" in their favor. Ming Tzu
is killed, Xena's ready to skewer
Ming Tien, and all of Lao Ma's hopes and dreams are dashed.
Xena had her own agenda all along, and couldn't/wouldn't overcome her
hate and anger. One of the best moments in this ep was Xena's true
regret at failing to take up that past opportunity.
And TPTB FINALLY give the fans a "reasonable, in character"
situation to thoughtfully ponder and question-did Lao Ma mean for Xena
to kill Ming Tien?
At the end of the pyrotechnics, Xena seems "satisfied" and makes ready
to leave. The Green Dragon has indeed been made "small". But Ming Tien
proceeds to taunt Xena with explicit detail of Lao Ma's death, and
sneeringly says he knew she was his mother and that he killed her
himself.
So Xena ended up doing what she planned all along-killing The Green
Dragon. But did her actions betray Lao Ma's teachings? Did she really
lie just to "protect" Gabrielle? And given Xena's past history at
"cleaning up after herself" concerning her "creations", specifically
Callisto, shouldn't Xena have known better than to give into to revenge?
Sure, it was viscerally satisfying to know Xena offed the tyrant, but in
the end, didn't she betray not only Lao Ma, but herself?
These are all the kind of thought provoking questions the show used to
pose to it's audience in the past. It's an indication of how this
season has been so heavily plot driven that it takes so "late" in
the third season for such an issue to be raised.
Xena came off "better" and more in character in this ep than at any time
during the entire new
season to date. She was everything in 'TDII' she should have been in
'TDI'-she takes the time to explain and communicate, especially to
Gabrielle.
But every second of what was good about this episode couldn't overcome
the bad-Gabrielle's character assassination by TPTB.
When I saw Gabrielle slap Xena while hysterically, childishly screaming
at her to promise not to kill Ming Tien, then make only the slightest,
coldly unemotional move to "stop" Xena's execution, for the first time
since this series began she truly lived up to the derisive nickname
"little girl".
Excuse me, but this naive, traitorous, spineless "child" is _NOT_
Gabrielle. She isn't even early first season Gabrielle. No, this
"creature" is a warped creation of TPTB to further their damned "rift"
plot along in complete and total disreagrd for everything that had been
established as being part of the "true" Gabrielle's character as seen
during the series first two seasons. The mantra of season three
continues: Plot over Character.
This is _NOT_ the Gabrielle who was ready to be torn limb from limb in
defense of Xena in 'The Reckoning'.
This is _NOT_ the Gabrielle who single handedly took on Talmadeus and
his army just to honor Xena's dying request in 'The Greater Good'.
This is _NOT_ the Gabrielle who was savvy enough to size up Valesca and
strong enough to keep her from becoming the new Amazon Queen in 'The
Quest'. That Gabrielle knew damn well not all rulers are wise, kind, or
benevolent.
This is _NOT_the Gabrielle who faced her own dark side in 'Return Of
Callisto'.
This is _NOT_the Gabrielle who in saying "Get her, Xena!" gave tacit
approval for the warrior to do "whatever was necessary" to stop Callisto
in that same ep.
No, that Gabrielle no longer exists. She has been systematically
eliminated this season, all for the sake of a 'tunnel vision' master
plot.
I know the "reunion" scene between Xena and Pod Gabrielle in the flooded
dungeon was supposed to turn on the old waterworks big time. The
"scratch my nose" line was supposed to pack a subtle but powerful
wallop. But after watching all the character regression and
assassination in these two eps and in fact throughout the entire third
season to date, all feelings of emotion had been pretty much leeched out
of me by then.
Oh, I guess I caught a glimpse of the "real" Xena and Gabrielle during
that scene-but they were like momentary flashes of lightning on a dark,
stormy summer's night. Brief and fleeting, never lasting, always
elusive. I might have known and recognized the Xena in that scene, but
not the Gabrielle. Oh well, never mind, it's just a tv show, right:(?
<Warning: entering sarcasm zone>
But on the "bright side" you've got to hand it to TPTB-they've supplied
us with more big KABOOMS and "way kewl" special effects in less than half
of this third season than the past two combined.
And who knew that in addition to most likely being Ares daughter that
Xena can now tap into her 'Chi', snap metal bonds and send knives flying
through the air, shoot bolts of pure energy from her hands, and
basically wreak havoc without breaking much of a sweat? Not me, that's
for sure!
But boy, wasn't it "kewl" to see?! Xena made things blow up real good!
YEEE-HAW!!! The adolescent male demographic has really caught the eyes
of TPTB this season, haven't they?
Wonder if in the future we'll find out Cyrene came across the infant
Xena in a crashed spaceship launched from the planet Krypton;-)?
Gee, wonder why Xena's "super" powers never really showed up
in earlier times of crisis-like maybe when her "best friend" was being
raped by Dahak? Oh, I forgot-that would have interrupted the flow of the
all mighty master plot.
And wasn't it just a _TAD_ repetitive to have Xena "crucified" and on
the verge of death yet again, but saved at the very last moment by the
mystical appearence of her teacher/lover/savior-last season it was M'Lila,
this season it was Lao Ma. Anyone want to bet she'll never be mentioned
again, just like poor M'Lila? But never mind, after all it's just a tv
show, right:(?
<Notice: exiting sarcasm zone>
I suppose the most heartbreaking thing of all in this ep was seeing Xena
and Pod Gabrielle finally say "I love you" to each other. I have waited
and hoped and yes, even prayed for those lines to be exchanged. And in
the tradition of the old saying-"be careful what you wish for-you might
just get it."-it came to pass.
Yet it meant nothing. It was built on a bed of lies and deceit. It
cannot last. TPTB so much as confirm that with the disclaimer for this ep:
"Xena and Gabrielle's relationship suffered another blow (although
Gabrielle doesn't know it yet) during the production of this motion
picture."
Why has the vast majority of the X/G subtext had such a negative
undertone to it this season? What does that bode for it's future?
In closing, I remember it being suggested that 'The Debt I & II'
would make the perfect way to introduce someone not familiar with Xena:
Warrior Princess to the series. I _STRONGLY_ disgaree.
My pick would be 'Destiny' & 'The Quest'. In those two eps we saw the
depth of Xena and the "real" Gabrielle's true devotion and love. A
devotion and love that defied death itself. We had a declaration of love
from the heart, not from lies and deceit. Our two heros _finally_
kissed. We saw XenaDark and her descent into the abyss of pure evil. We
saw the healing power of love and forgiveness. We saw Gabrielle's faith
and most importantly her strength. She was at last Xena's partner in
every sense of the word, not just a sidekick.
Yes, I would show a Xena "newcomer" those two eps, then remind them that
for whatever reason, TPTB aren't making episodes like that anymore. And
when they asked "WHY?", I would have no reasonable answer.
I guess I went from commentary to rant during the writing of this post.
Sorry. It's just that I'm so very tired and depressed over what has
happened to two such wonderful characters-Xena and Gabrielle-this season.
Anyway, it's just IMO.
c. 1997 EmperorPenguin
c. 1997 JoAnn
I almost feel that I shouldn't be posting about this episode because my
feelings about it are so ... unsettled. I blame it on PMS mostly.
My tape ran out halfway
through, to my great surprise. I was sure there was enough space left.
Fortunately, I can get it when it repeats next weekend. Unfortunately, I
can't rewatch it now to figure out why it upset me so much. :(
Another part of my woe was that one
of those annoying people who talk throughout a TV show watched with me. With some shows I
don't mind, but with XWP where I want to catch every word and every nuance
of expression, it's annoying as all Tartarus!!! Arrrggggh!!!!!
Anyway.
I guess the majority of my displeasure stems from the odd behavior of
Gabrielle and the Rift which, it seems to me, is entirely her fault at this
point. Well, maybe that's a little harsh. But let's consider.
A man pops out of nowhere and with his dying breath relays a cryptic
message to Xena. Gabrielle sees that Xena tries to revive the man --
message: He's on "our" side (whatever that means). Xena immediately
concludes that she has to go kill someone. Gabrielle immediately concludes
that this is wrong. Huh?????
Granted that Gabrielle's feelings are obviously raw. It seems that it's
only been a few days since the events of "GH" (hard to tell, but I'm
guessing) so she's still upset about killing Meridian, reeling from having
a supernatural baby, raw from the pain of giving Hope up, and probably
guilty over the lie she's perpetuating to Xena. But does that justify her
wholesale condemnation of what Xena plans to do, without having any facts?
I say no.
So Xena explains. This part is interesting. I wish it had all taped because
I would like to watch "Destiny" and then "Debt 1" so I could get the full
impact of the progression of events. But as I see it: She meets Caesar
Julius Caesar, meets M'Lilla, the one betrays her, the other saves her, she
goes to Niklio, gets partly cured, M'Lilla dies, Xena goes off to China,
meets Borias at some point (I'm unclear about this), hooks up with him,
they kill people together, they betray each other in turn, she gets
captured, she gets freed, she pitches woo with Lao Ma, a bunch of other
stuff happens that we don't know about yet, and eventually Xena goes off
and has Solon (that's another post) and meets Hercules, reforms, meets
Gabs, etc.
But at the point where Gabrielle says, "I can't follow you," all she knows
is up to the point where Xena captures and ransoms the kid and then gets
captured herself. (BTW, kidnapping Ming T'ien: did we see that coming a
MILE away or what?) What has Gabrielle heard that shocks her so badly?
A. Xena killed people for no reason.
Now how many of those four things should really shock Gabs? I say none.
Gabs knows that Xena was a baaaaaad grrl. Gabs knows that Xena killed
people. She knows (presumably) that Evil Xena slept with Iolaus purely so
she could kill Hercules. She knows that Xena sometimes took hostages. She's
seen Xena kill countless people, some of them baddies, some not. And she
knows that Xena has a dark past that involved killing a lot of people,
mostly for no reason or bad reasons. How is this any different?
Additionally, Gabrielle doesn't yet know (if I recall correctly) that the
little boy in the story is the Green Dragon whom Xena plans to kill. For
all Gabby knows, the intended victim is another version of Callisto!
Someone pointed out (sorry, I zipped through the spoiler posts, don't
remember who said what) that the flashback to Callisto's death makes a
point about Xena killing on Gab's behalf vs. Xena killing on anyone else's
behalf vs. Gab killing. Well, if Xena had said, "I just heard that Callisto
has an even eviller twin sister, I'm going to China to kill her" would Gabs
have protested? Arguably, no.
In short, it just doesn't make sense. Gabrielle does not have all the
information, yet she makes a snap judgment that what Xena plans to do is
wrong. This may be understandable in light of Gab's recent traumas, but it
still feels way out of character.
And! Bad enough Gab disagrees, and leaves Xena to make her journey alone.
But then Gab travels to warn Ming T'ien? I think NOT! Leaving aside the
question of how did Gab get there first, how did she know where to go, etc.
(hey, Gab also has many skills, and anyway IOAS), the only possible reasons
I can think of for Gabrielle to betray Xena in this way are: 1. Jealousy
and 2. Petty revenge.
1. Jealousy. Gabrielle hears the saga of Lao Ma and figures out that she
was Xena's girlfriend (someone said her first. Ummmm, what about
M'Lilla??). Gabby gets jealous. She decides to sabotage Xena's mission
which, on the face of it, is being undertaken purely for the benefit of Lao
Ma.
2. Revenge. Gabs is still angry with Xena for trying to kill Hope and
essentially forcing Gab to give up her child. In her anger and grief and
all the other emotions, Gabrielle takes leave of her senses. I think we all
know how it can happen. Your grief turns to anger and you lash out, saying
or doing something that you know will hurt a loved one. Then when you see
the hurt on their face and realize that it worked, your "victory" feels
ashen on the tongue. I think I saw some of that on Gabby's face at the end
of this episode.
Still, it wasn't enough. I don't believe Gabrielle has entirely learned her
lesson. As for what that lesson is, it's a tough one for me to figure out.
It seems that Gabrielle needs to attain a new level of trust for Xena. The
events of Deliverer and GH destroyed the "Xena can rescue me from any bad
situation" type of trust. GH also destroyed the "I will always be able to
understand and agree with (or at least accept) Xena's decisions" type of
trust. Now what Gabrielle needs to find is some sort of "Xena and I can
disagree without destroying our friendship or hurting each other" trust.
It seems (sudden epiphany?) that Gabrielle fell prey to an error that many
people make in relationships these days. She saw one argument and turned it
into a Rift. In other words, as soon as they reached a point of no
compromise -- the life or death of Hope, neither woman able to find any
middle ground that would satisfy both -- Gabrielle began to believe that
she and Xena would never agree again. It's almost as if Xena can be always
right or always wrong, but never wrong yesterday and right today. As if
Xena's one wrong (in Gabby's eyes) decision, to kill Hope, means that all
her other decisions are equally wrong. Gabby needs to get beyond this, and
I sincerely hope (no pun) that when she does we get a real honest
heart-wrenching moment of clarity and a nice emotional apology to Xena --
preferably ending in a kiss and a steamy love scene, but let's not get
greedy.
Leaving the topic of Gabby, on to Xena.
My problem with Evil Xena in Destiny and this ep is that she's not smart.
In Destiny it makes sense, because she's really just a petty warlordess
looking to collect lots of loot and not caring whom she has to kill for it.
But by The Debt she should have learned her lesson. The valuable lesson to
take from the entire encounter with Caesar Julius Caesar is: Know the
people you're dealing with, before you deal with them.
When we first encounter Evil-Xena-In-China, it's obvious that she knows
crap about the Chinese people. Borias has to tell her to back off,
explaining that the Chinese are a people of honor. When they meet Ming Tzu
and then Lao Ma, it's clear that Borias understands the Chinese customs and
beliefs and is prepared to use them to his advantage. Xena, however,
neither knows the ways of the Chinese nor cares to learn them -- nor, and
this is the important part, understands why it would be valuable to know
this stuff.
And she shows her ignorance several times, in significant ways. First,
attacking Lao Ma. Stupid, stupid. Any idiot could see that Lao Ma's
"husband" was a nonentity and it was she who really wielded the power. In
which case, do you just blindly leap at her? A small woman ruling an entire
empire, unable to defend herself? Um.... no. Second, kidnapping Ming T'ien.
Obvious thing to do, and not done with any finesse. Just ride on in and
snatch the kid. Yeah, real subtle planning there, Xena. Third, not
realizing that Borias would sell her out. Being ruled by her hormones? No,
in this case I don't think that's what it is. She simply hasn't studied him
carefully enough to realize that he'd sooner betray her than settle for 5%.
By the time Lao Ma rescues her and pretties her up, it seems (from
Xena's/Lucy's face and body language) that she's finally begun to practice
some people-studying, but it's too little too late. This version of Evil
Xena is just plain not smart, which is why she keeps getting into trouble.
This is not the Xena who studied Hercules and realized that Iolaus was his
Achilles' heel. This is not the Xena who could fool the gods numerous
times. This is not the Xena who thinks three steps ahead of every enemy and
at least two ahead of every friend. Maybe it was Lao Ma who taught Xena
these things; in that case, I hope we see it in "The Betrayal," the second
half of this two-parter.
Anyway, in my rather incoherent fashion that's a summary of what disturbed
me in this episode. I guess it boils down to two main things: Gabby leaping
to judgment, and Evil Xena not being smart. Other than that (and the Solon
question, which continues to fret me) it *was* a beautiful ep, rich in
imagery, throbbing with intensity, fresh and exciting in the fight scenes,
with some fun new styles of music that must have made LaDuca very happy.
Things I particularly liked:
-The Kiss -- oops sorry, "oral transference of oxygen." Yeah, whatever. ;)
-The "I don't eat meat" scene. Yow!!!! How maintext can you get without
actually going there???
-The entire stalking bit at the end, covered with mud. Beautifully done!
(although I couldn't really enjoy it with ___ yapping. Ugh!!!! Catch me
letting him watch TV with me again!) And then pulling back the covers and
finding Gabby! Thinking "no, it's just a hallucination." Realizing it
really IS Gabby. Oh SHIT!!!!!
-All the infusion of Chinese and Eastern-esque philosophy/spirituality into
the plotline. Lao Ma's casual way of fighting; the way the child was
transfixed by Xena; the references to honor. Love it.
Other misc. things I particularly hated:
I'll have more to say once I've calmed down. And although I really kind of
hated the episode, I put it mostly to PMS and I feel reasonably sure that
I'll love it when I see it again.
c. 1997 joan the english
chick
joan the english chick on: The Debt II
First of all, on the question of whether Xena killed Ming Tien. [In response to the suggestion that Ming Tien was not deas but possibly lobotomized.]
IMO this is nitpicky. Ming Tien hands Xena the hairpin saying it was Lao
Ma's dying wish that Xena would get it back. Lao Ma would know that Xena
would remember the "you could kill someone with that" conversation. Lao Ma
would know that it would be Ming Tien giving Xena the hairpin. Ergo, it was
Lao Ma's dying wish that Xena use the hairpin to kill Ming Tien. QED.
Second of all, regarding Ming Tien's parentage. Maybe it's too many years
of watching soap operas, but I knew Lao Ma was his mother as soon as we met
her in Debt I. Too obvious.
Third of all, my biggest quibble concerns Solon. Considering:
Do you think she got knocked up when Lao Ma left her to "make peace" with
Borias? Heh heh. Somehow I don't think Lao Ma intended them to kiss and
make up quite so literally. Poor Xena was still struggling her way out of
the closet back then.
Fourth: Symbolism... I really like the interweaving of Chinese philosophy
in these two eps. (There's a discussion of this on WHOOSH that is pretty
interesting.) Particularly of interest regarding the Rift is the basis of
Lao Ma's fighting philosophy: to clear one's being of all desire, hatred,
etc. It appears that Bad Xena in the flashbacks was unable to do this. Much
as she tried, giving herself over to the love of Lao Ma, she was unable --
evidenced by her love-hate interactions with Borias -- to free herself of
emotion. Now, however, in the grip of Ming Tien's executioner, with the
betraying Gabrielle looking on, Xena is able to attain that state of
clarity. IMO this has unpleasant implications for the future of their
relationship.
I see Xena already moving toward the clear state when Gabby visits her in
the watery prison. It seems to me that Xena reacts the way she knows
Gabrielle expects her to: at first she is stony and unresponsive as
Gabrielle offers her eloquent apology, but once Gab has unburdened herself
Xena provides the sought-after absolution (encapsulated in a summary truth,
"I was mad at you, but I could never hate you") and proceeds to regale
Gabrielle with a story, demonstrating the return to good faith. All this,
though, is very mechanical. Xena knows the steps because she's danced them
so many times before. In fact, the briefest summary of this episode could
sum up half the eps to date: "Gabrielle's well-meaning act nearly costs
Xena her life." Xena isn't really allowing herself to feel the emotions of
the moment -- the betrayal, the relief, the love, the forgiveness. She
merely goes through the motions because she knows it's what Gabrielle
needs, and despite all else that's happened, Xena is incapable of letting
Gabby suffer like that.
Gabrielle, of course, doesn't realize that her absolution was a sham. I
still have a lot of trouble understanding her actions here, but one thing
is clear: she's regressed from much of the growth she had done throughout
the series. Whether it was the traumatic events of "Deliverer" and GH that
did it, or not, she's gone back to the immature, naive and often stupid
sidekick she was in first season. Only now, without the cushion of youth
and inexperience to excuse it, it is unforgiveable and shocking.
At the end of Debt II it's clear that Gabby thinks all is well again. She
takes the book and says almost cheerily, "We'll take care of it." She
obviously thinks they're going to go find Argo, return to New Greeceland,
and resume their adventures as if nothing had happened. Well, can we be
surprised? If she didn't realize that Ming Tien would not let Xena escape
alive, and didn't see that Xena really had killed him, and of course didn't
foresee the inevitable consequences of her betrayal, why should she
suddenly now have the sense to see that there are still unresolved issues
between her and Xena?
It distresses me to see that Gabrielle has so completely lost her mind <G>:
I mean, taken leave of her good sense -- it seems to me that pre-Deliverer
Gabby would have spotten Ming Tien's, if not Xena's, deception immediately
-- and I certainly look forward to seeing this issue get resolved.
All that aside, I have to say that when considered as a whole the Debt
episodes (even call it one two-hour episode, for convenience's sake) was
one of the best yet -- this season, or overall. It certainly bears watching
over and over for those nuances of meaning.
c. 1997 joan the english
chick
Yeah, probably TPTB will go that route, but they don't have to .. .
I'm going to articulate this, but I'm not sure I can.
Sometimes, mature relationships have secrets. . within that relationship.
They still work. .
Sometimes, it's important to "talk" things out and others not so
important.
I've found that the issues, tend to open themselves up. .not always when
we're ready.
But. .
It's part of the human condition.
It was humane of Xena not to tell Gabrielle about the Green Dragon.
Gabrielle
was not in a state of mind to handle it. She'd just been through a
horrible
trauma, lost her baby (not as in dead. .but still) and she is clinging to
what she *thinks* is right at the moment (don't we all. .)
It was humane of Gabrielle not to tell Xena about Hope. She was the
baby's
mother. It was her responsibility to make that decision. .not Xena's.
It would have been one thing if Gab's had said, "Xena I can't do this, but
the baby must be destroyed." It was totally something else to have
someone stronger, quicker, more powerful chasing after a body that's
just given birth, experienced her first kill and is having nightmares
about
it. Gabrielle wasn't in a state of mind to make any other choice (given
her preference that all life is valuable. . .) I'm pretty sure that
Gabs doesn't want her defender feeling like a total bitch. . . (at least
my version wouldn't . . .but hey. . they'll probably make like Xena was
right
and then I'll have to go. .Damn. . )
Now, whether there will come a point when the truth must be shared for
them
to move on. .probably. It's like coming out. .In order for me to move on
I felt I had to let my family know that I wasn't straight. .It's been
really
hard on them and I've sometimes regretted the decision, but I was still
able
to move on from there. There is more than a good chance, that given
enough
emotional distance, under normal circumstances (if we pretend for a moment
that X:WP is real life) Gab could safely tell Xena the truth
She might say something like, .I was so afraid for my
baby and you were yelling at me and I had to make the decision and I'm
sorry. .
or Xena could safely tell Gabs. .honey love, the bastard knew what he did.
.he
he murdered his mother because he could. .then he goaded me until I
couldn't
take it anymore.
It might not be a justification for today. .in real life. .but, given the
"story" world. .it would be enough
Truth has a tendency to work itself out into the open anyway, I guess. .
<quote>
But such is the irresistable nature of truth, that all it asks,
and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing.
--Thomas Paine </quote>
we just have to give it enough time.
But it doesn't mean it has to be presented painfully or remain unforgiven.
In real life, we learn to forgive. . Or at least one hopes so. . .
I would also hope it is so for X:WP
Not all secrets are bad. . and neither are all lies.
Even some of the whoppers. . I guess, in the end, one has to think about
what is the important result. . one seeks. .Maybe it's the "off the cuff"
lies that get us into trouble. The ones where we have to build a whole
reality
a round in order to have it work. I dunno. . . I guess a body has to
learn to
think beyond the "black and white" obvious stuff. I mean, there are some
"truths" that I might wish my kid to remain ignorant about. . .at least
for
a little bit. .(Santa comes to mind. .Now that is a whopper,
then you tell the kids the "truth," and then you realize
one day that Santa really does exist. . .)
It reminds me of a quote that has become a fave of mine.
Fill the seats of justice with good men, but not so absolute in
goodness as to forget what human frailty is.
--Sir Thomas Noon Talfourd
Don't get me wrong. .I'm not proposing we all go out and lie to each
other.
I am saying that, as human beings, we are often faced with similar
choices, and we lie, and they do not necessarily result in total
ruination.
There has to be a balance in perspective. . .
Real life is made up of so many twists and turns. . .I don't see why
X:WP, which is such a remarkable show, should be exempt. .
<quote>
The surest way of finding the right way is taking the wrong way. Look
at all the knot-holes, worm-holes, and dead-ends we've all come
through just to arrive at our current realizations. Who can know the
journey that someone else must take. I dare not speculate.
--John Neatrour
</quote>
Personally, I'm grateful for my knot-holes. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't
be half as interesting without them. . .
Besides, as a friend of mine (a fellow story teller) once told me,
before I even started out on this mystic journey of writing. . .
when you have characters . . .if you want the story to be interesting. .
you've got to give them problems to overcome. .then you give them some
more.
The trick is. .always give them a way out.
So,
Sometimes lies have their place, just as truth does. Truth tends to
out itself eventually. Character is built through life experience and
a story should avoid being boring.
Now tell me the truth and don't you lie. .
. . even through all this stuff that we've chatted about
has anyone been *bored* by third season?
I haven't. I've been wanting to rail and scream about it. . .but I
haven't
been bored. . .
The thing to look for, I guess. .is the way out. . .
(hopefully with lots of smooches and hugs. .but that's just my preference)
Uhm. .hope that makes sense. . .
*steps off soapbox and hides behind it*
Katrina
c. 1997 Katrina prosper4@ix.netcom.com
This is without a doubt the most spectacular episode in the series to date
and among the most intense hour of TV I've ever seen. It really leaves
DESTINY in the dust. Forget about XWP being a kiddie show. This is
gritty and BLOODY, sensual and RAW. This is a motion picture quality
production - storytelling at its best...even if it will break your heart.
The episode begins with Xena and Gabrielle but I'm going to discuss the
flashback sequences first and leave the sections with the bard for last.
When Xena begins remembering her past there are a couple of shots from
DESTINY showing her betrayal by Caesar and then we learn that she headed
East. The opening sequence on the Chinese steppes is majestic as we see a
group of raiders on horseback in hot pursuit of some Chinese soldiers.
The soldiers are easily cut down. One particularly bloodthirsty raider is
revealed as our Warrior Princess looking absolutely wicked in an attire
that has her resembling an Arab or Hun warrior. The leader of the
raiders is the famous Borias - who in later years will father Xena's
child. He is played by Martin Czokas - the same actor who played
Khrafstar, the evil priest in THE DELIVERER - only in this episode there
is NO sign of Khrafstar in his performance. He is a warlord in the same
mold as Xena - wild and raw although perhaps showing the first hints of
the humanity which will one day lead to his redemption. His Borias is
very good - difficult to pin down in terms of race or ethnicity. I would
tend to agree with [another Xenite] (from the NetForum) that he could be Russian.
Xena is his lieutenant and at this point is moving around with the help of
a crutch - her legs still not mended after the experience on the cross.
She is, however, utterly ruthless! This is a Xena that makes Callisto
look like a puppy by comparison. The redeeming qualities may be there but
they are buried SO deep there is NO hint of them. She asks Borias to give
her the dead men they have just killed. When he does so she beheads them
all and impales the severed heads on a line along the Great Wall of China.
We begin to see how Xena is likely going to be having nightmares for the
rest of her life.
Back at the raiders' camp, Borias and Xena meet Ming Tzu and his young son
Ming T'ien. Ming Tzu is the head of one of two great dynasties Borias is
trying to do business with. A very unruly, uncontrolled Xena ruins the
negotiations. During them though, she catches her first glimpse of the
young boy whose destiny will cross her path again soon.
The next scene offers a sharp contrast between the Xena of the past and
the Xena of the present. In the present we see Xena and Gabrielle both on
horseback, riding calmly through a forest as the warrior assumes the role
of storyteller - then the perspective shifts back to the past and we see
Xena and Borias having sex while on horseback. There is no love between
them - just raw passion. As Xena says...they use each other. Borias
tosses her on the ground and then heads back to meet with the
representative of the house of Lao.
Here we are introduced to the BEST new character since the creation of
Callisto - the enigmatic, beautiful and deadly Lao Ma. She is married to
the head of the Lao Dynasty. Borias is immediately charmed - Xena is
suspicious and decidely unfriendly. Despite this there is TREMENDOUS
subtext between Xena and the mysterios Chinese woman. At dinner that
evening, while smoking opium, Xena does not take her eyes of Lao Ma -
getting angrier and angrier as the woman seems to have a civilizing
influence on Borias. This is something Xena does not want. After giving
her a small warning with the toss of a knife during the dinner, that night
Xena orchestrates a more serious confrontration. She waits for Lao in her
tent intent on killing her. For the first time we are treated to Lao Ma's
powers and they are FORMIDABLE. She completely trounces Xena who despite
being crippled is still very capable. The special effects here are
wonderful - particularly the knife throwing. If you look carefully you'll
also notice the first indications that Lao Ma may be a sorceress of some
sort. At one point when she hits Xena she actually does not touch her but
rather unleashes with her hand a "force" which strikes the warrior tossing
her back several feet.
Lao Ma informs Borias that it would not be appropriate for them to form
any sort of allegiance now but before leaving she whispers some words of
wisdoms to Xena, urging her not to let her desires rule her mind. A
furious Borias throws Xena out of his camp. She promptly turns around and
kidnaps Ming T'ien intent on demanding a huge reward from his father.
Borias goes along with this but in the end - betrays Xena becoming the
second person close to her to have done so after Caesar. We see Ming Tzu
riding along with his son as soldiers follow with Xena. The woman is in a
VERY small cage. Lao Ma arrives on the scene at that moment. She tries
to give Ming T'ien an embroidery she made for him but the boy tosses it
away. Lao Ma sees Xena and wonders at how they can consider hunting a
cripple. Later when the warrior is in fact being chased by a pack of
dogs, Lao Ma saves her. This scene with Xena in tattered rags, stumbling
through the forest, her hair wild and unkept, the fight STILL in her eyes
despite the impending doom - is absolutelyy RIVETING. She cannot
understand why Lao Ma saves her but the woman does - taking her back to
her home.
Later, Xena is hiding in a hottub with Lao Ma sitting on the edge, as Ming
Tzu enters looking for Xena. Lao Ma calmly informs him she's not there.
At one point she dunks her head in the water and kisses Xena to give her
air. There is an interesting conversation here between Ming Tzu and Lao
Ma. We learn that she was a cortesan HE sold to the head of the house of
Lao. This little revelation combined with the earlier scene with Ming
T'ien leaves me strongly suspecting Lao Ma is the boy's mother. IF she's
the one that has summoned Xena to China in the present, it would explain
why she herself is not willing to stop the Green Dragon who seems to be
Ming T'ien. This would also be quiet a contrast to the earlier episode
GABRIELLE'S HOPE with GH featuring a mother (Gabrielle) who does not see
her child as evil and prevents Xena from killing her, and THE DEBT
featuring a mother who DOES recognize the evil in her child and asks Xena
to murder him. Speculation at this point but WOW!
In the final flashbacks we see Lao Ma caring for Xena - bathing her,
dressing her...then, we're back in the present, it's evening and Xena is
just outside Ming T'Ien's castle spreading dark paint all over her body.
She's wearing some sort of bodysuit. Noicelessly she enters the castle
and starts to head toward the sleeping form of the young man with the
knife in hand. For all of you out there who are reading Paul and Jenna's
excellent uber story SURFACING, this scene in particular is going to
remind you a LOT of scenes from that story which has the Xena character as
a deadly spy and assassin.
Then comes that end...gods. I knew it was coming and it STILL got to me.
As Xena is getting ready to kill the young ruler, the covers are pulled
back and she finds herself starring into Gabrielle's face. As soldiers
then pour into the room, Gabrielle tells her she simply could not let her
go through with her plan. It is seemingly the third betrayal Xena
experiences and very likely the most devastating. The look in her eyes is
a mixture of horror, disbelief and desolation. Then she turns toward Ming
T'ien and there's only hatred there. As Gabrielle looks on, the man has
her arrested.
Now this leads me to the bard and her depiction in this episode. In
GABRIELLE'S HOPE, Gabrielle was very emotional and ended up turning on
Xena but in my view her characterization remained solid throughout.
Gabrielle behaved as we would have expected her to behave. She protected
the baby because Gabrielle protects the innocent, because she is willing
to give people a chance, because inspite of everything she still believes
in the power of love and goodness. She lied to Xena because she had no
other option. By contrast, in THE DEBT, I felt like I was watching a
complete stranger - NOT Gabrielle by a long shot. I felt this way from
the very beginning of the episode when they show the bard sitting on this
rock with a smile. She thanks Xena for standing by her during the recent
turmoil and all seems honky dory. Sorry but the Gabrielle *I* know after
two seasons watching this show would NOT be calm and content knowing that
her daughter is out there somewhere with gods know who, possibly in
danger, possibly being influenced toward evil. Even knowing that she did
the only thing she could have when she placed that baby in the river,
Gabrielle would be upset, anxious, nervous. She would not be sitting on a
rock with a smile. I didn't, in fact, think Gabrielle would be able to
maintain that lie about Hope for the simple reason that the worry and
stress would give her away.
Then when she's traveling with Xena as Xena is talking about the past,
Gabrielle occassionally comments on how ruthless Xena was. Gabrielle
appears judgemental and at times almost callous - two qualities which
again I have NEVER associated with the bard. Then she tells Xena that she
can't go with her to China. Well - I can see this as Gabrielle perhaps
honestly not wanting to help Xena commit a murder OR perhaps as her seeing
this as an opportunity to go look for Hope BUT in truth, I don't find this
realistic. I think while there was still a chance to change Xena's mind,
Gabrielle would have not left her side. That she does so seems to
insinuate that Gabrielle is already thinking about trying to beat Xena to
China to betray her to the Green Dragon - something SOOOOOOOOOOOOO out of
character that I simply CANNOT accept Gabrielle doing it. In the previews
for next week one scene shows Xena being tied to a cross while Gabrielle
calmly looks on. Sorry. That's NOT the bard I know and if they MAKE her
into Gabrielle then they will have indeed completely deconstructed a
character, remaking her into another.
My bet is, and this is purely speculation, that this will turn out NOT to
be Gabrielle. I think it isn't even Gabrielle at the beginning of the
episode. So who is it? Two clear possibilities - Hope or Ares. Even if
the Gabrielle in Greece does turn out to be the real one - the one in
China seems likely to be an impostor and with that one a third possibility
arises as to who it might be - namely Lao Ma. In THE DEBT we already
learn that the woman has some extraordinary powers. She uses some sort of
force to hit Xena and when she saves Xena from the pack of dogs she stares
down a growling dog who turns around and whimpers away. In the previews
for next week, in that same scene where we see Xena being tied to a cross
and Gabrielle standing idly by, we also see a number of what appear to be
torture tools suddenly start levitating. Something is definitely not
right in Denmark...or Ching as the case may be. ;-)
IF it does turn out that the real Gabrielle is the one who betrays Xena
then those producers/writers are going to have to come up with one HELL of
a believable explanation for her actions because I do NOT beleive the bard
would betray Xena based on some moral stand against killing. I could see
Gabrielle maaaaaaaaaybe warning Ming T'ien that Xena is going to kill him
but I will NEVER, EVER accept that she helps to willingly set a trap for
Xena knowing that the warrior will likely get captured and tortured or
executed. Even the warning seems far-fetched to me because it alone puts
Xena's life in danger. In GABRIELLE'S HOPE the bard turns against Xena
but she does it almost in self-defence with Xena clearly as the agressor
AND I do not believe Gabrielle ever tries to endanger Xena. Even when she
yells at the Banshees to stop the warrior, I think she knows Xena will
likely get out of that predicament quickly enough. Xena had been sounding
pretty cocky before about her growing ability to actually battle the
Banshees.
THE DEBT is an OUTSTANDING ride folks. It is the type of dark, intense,
emotional episode Xenites LIVE for. I am certain that episode is making a
lot of new fans too. The acting is SUPERB with Lucy doing arguably her
best work to date and a very strong supporting cast. Jacqueline Kim as
Lao Ma is incredible - WHERE did they find this woman! Also very good is
Grant McFarland as Ming Tzu. Despite the quality of this episode,
however, the end left me totally depressed. I think I should have waited
until I could see part two at the same time but alas - I have no will
power ;-) I look forward most of all to some sort of explanation for
Gabrielle's behavior because right now it looks like this season may not
only be about the deconstruction of heroes, but also about the
deconstruction of one of the most beautiful friendships I've ever seen on
TV.
c. 1997 Lunacy
I find myself wondering if this will be developed. Much of the current
discussion of the philosophical positions of Xena and Gabrielle,
especially
in the wake of The Deliverer and Gabrielle's Hope, posits them as being
symbols of Evil (in the process of reformation) and Good (in the process
of
gaining sophistication). If Xena's primary philosophical influence is in
fact Lao Tzu (Lao Ma), perhaps it becomes more useful to look at the
philosophical rift between Xena and Gabrielle as instead the discontinuity
between a Western set of values based on a dichotomy of good and evil, and
an Eastern set of values based on finding The Way, and living in balance
and in harmony with The Way. In a Taoist perspective, acts are not
considered good or evil in themselves, but must be examined in full
context and with reference to whether or not they are intended to bring
about balance and harmony.
If Gabrielle is seeking Good, and Xena is seeking Balance, then they will
inevitably find themselves in conflict from time to time, since Balance
includes both yin and yang, dark and light, expansion and contraction,
growth and destruction.
c. 1997 Morgan Dhu
Xena, a soul reborn from darkness, struggled with her inner desire of evil while
at the same time attempting to somehow make atonement from her wrongs
to herself and to the world around her. We saw this struggle so vividly in
season one with episodes such as "Ties that Bind", "Dreamworker" and
"The Reckoning". It also became clear to the viewer that the peasant girl,
Gabrielle's inner motivations were not only for adventure and escape of
an unwanted lifestyle. Xena became Gabrielle's mission from early on. By
the start of season two Gabrielle had personalized her mission to reach to
the world around her. She starts this in the first season's last episode
"Is There A Doctor in the House?" when she goes after a child trapped
in a war zone.
We as viewers have all watched very closely at the events that have
brought us to this apparent "Rift" in their relationship. Shock with the
abuse of Gabrielle in "The Deliverer". That episode also showed us a side
of Xena that disregarded her companion's well-being as she dealt with
a resurrgence of feelings for an old nemesis. Gabrielle's lie in "Gabrielle's Hope"
disconcerted many. So often in season one Gabrielle had been reinforced to
us through Xena's own lips as being good, pure, living with a code above so
many others in episodes such as "Callisto" "Is There a Doctor in the House?"
"Death in Chains". Episodes such as "The Debt 1 and2" stirred emotions in us
as viewers of loyalty, the betrayal of a loved one(Xena's view) and the betrayal
of one's values and mission(Gabrielle's view).
This relationship so carefully crafted to go beyond death and through the hidden
secrets of season two is now recieving a shake-up unpleasant to watch in
season three. Where is the same Xena that sat throwing rocks in the water
to explain about what killing does to a person's soul in "Dreamworker"?
Where is the same Gabrielle that wanted to use Argo to pry the bars of
the jail off in "The Reckoning" saying that she had learned that justice
and the law were not always the same thing? Where is the innocent boldness
we fell in love with in Gabrielle's spirit as we watched "The Debt 1 and 2"?
I ask us as viewers to remember that quiet pond that Xena threw the rocks
into as she sat telling her young friend to watch as the water rippled. Gabrielle
responded that the water will again grow still but Xena countered that "yes,
but that the rock is now a part of the ponf, the pond is forever changed."
[Dreamworker paraphrased] It is so unlike what we see in their lives today.
Events have occurred. Both women have stood on their principles that have for the
first time disagreed with the other's belief system. Still they acted on them. Yes, it
had
effects. Yes, it caused pain. No one can convince me otherwise that the tears
Xena shed in "The Debt 2" were anything but because of Gabrielle's treatment
of her.
Which one is right and who is wrong? Do we give all life a chance? Do we
stand
boldly against the evil forces in this world? Does the destruction of a
person's
soul matter above all else? Do we pay our debts at any cost?
All the above questions are honorable undertakings. And I as a viewer can not
judge either Xena or Gabrielle. As Xena told Malus at the beginning of
"Callisto"
when he swore vengence against her "You will do what you have to do". And
both women have done so.
The perfect picture of true abiding love that withstands all has been marred
by
the reality that both Xena and Gabrielle are human. They make mistakes. Over
the stint of time they have been together they have allowed their perspective
of
the other one to be that in which the other can do no wrong. Both women sat
high on a pedestal that now is wobbling. When they fall, they will either
shatter or
they will pick themselves up off the ground.
I have faith in Xena and Gabrielle. Every episode in this "Rift" has found
them at the other's side. It is clear that they both care for each other.
Yes, both have made mistakes. Yes, yes, both women are being forced to change
their perception of
the other one. But the pedistals are gone. Xena is not the perfect warrior
out on
a quest for good. She is human. Gabrielle is no longer innocent, she has her
own darkness to contend with. {don't we all?}
Gabrielle said it best in "Callisto" at the scene at the campfire talking to
Xena.
Paraphrased she said, "There is only one way to stop this..... and that is
through love and forgiveness" Yes, it was idealized, innocent, but the saying
still
holds true. There is no doubt of the level of love between them. And I say
love will prevail. Both will be the wiser. Both will see the other in amore
truer sense
and their relationship will grow deeper and stronger.
The rock is still in the pond. The pond is forever changed, But the pond is
still
beautiful. The waters can be calm. The water is forever changed........ But
is that
such a bad thing?
c. 1998 Tammy
Say what you will about TPTB and their attitudes toward feminism, subtext,
etc., but you have to admit it's a pretty powerfully female-centered show,
even aside from the fact that its two leads are women whose primary
relationships are with each other. TBTB could have easily made Lao Tzu
(sp?) Xena's mentor, but they chose instead a woman. M'lila was also a
savior for her. Then there is, of course, Gabby (once they stop lying and
stabbing one another in the back). I'm sure I could think of others if I
wanted to go back through all the episode synopses, but this is
uninteresting enough as it is. : )
Oh, and a question: Was there ever any explanation of how Ming Ti'en (sp.
again) ended up with Ming Tzu instead of with his mother? I am guessing Lao
Ma won her freedom from prostitution by providing Ming Tzu with an heir. Is
Ming Tzu Ming Ti'en's biological father?
I think my favorite scene from Debt II was when Gabby was visiting Xena in
the dungeon and was already on the brink of tears when Xena asked her to
scratch her nose. ROC is *such* a good actor -- the way she lost it at that
point was perfect. It reminded me of her reaction to seeing Dead Xena,
just before The Kiss. I'd like to see an interviewer ask ROC and LL some
time how they are affected by scenes like this. I would think the
preparation and the aftermath would require an excellent working
relationship between the actors involved.
The spoilers couldn't really do that scene justice -- when I had read that X
asked G to scratch her nose, it struck me as the kind of inappropriate humor
the writers sometimes like to inject into otherwise emotionally weighty
scenes. Seeing it, however, was quite different.
Last thought: I thought the mutual "I love you"s were sincere; that snarl
on X's face at the fadeout was one of victory at having killed Ming Ti'en
and had very little to do with how she felt about Gabs.
c. 1998 Tracey
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One thing I want to make clear is this: I am not against 'dark'
storylines or the idea/concept of a rift between Xena and Gabrielle. I
_AM_ against the 'tunnel vision' attitude and character demeaning
actions TPTB have decided to use in presenting this particular
stroyline.
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JoAnn on The
Debt I & II:
Lao Ma....what a powerful character. Stronger, wiser and she saved Xena's
life. So they killed her. That was a shame. Maybe she could come back as
spirit guide to Xena. I feel Xena would love to say goodbye to her and a
few
more things. Also, I didn't like that shade of majic marker on Gab's lips.
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joan the english chick
on The Debt I & II:
The Moving Finger writes, and having writ,
Moves on, nor all your piety and wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a line,
Nor all your tears wash out a word of it.
B. Xena had sex with a man she didn't love.
C. Xena kidnapped a child and held him for ransom, presumably not injuring
him during the process.
D. Xena was ruthless and intended to rule the world or at least get rich by
killing people.
-Anything with Borias. Ugh! Kill him now!
-The dog chase. Too painful to watch again. *shudder*
-Seeing Xena crucified again! Snif!!!!
-The bit with the heads on stakes. Powerful, yes. Safe for the delicate
tummy, no.
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1. The events of "Destiny" supposedly happened "ten years ago."
2. Between "Destiny" and the end of "Debt II"'s flashbacks there must be at
minimum six months' time. I'm giving Xena time to recover partly from her
crucifixion, move to China, meet Borias, hook up with him, build their
army, go through everything with the Mings and the Laos, etc.
3. Solon in "Orphan of War" had to be at least eight or nine years old.
hence
4. Xena had to be pregnant by the time she kills Ming Tzu and (presumably)
is kicked out of China by Lao Ma.
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Katrina on
The Debt I & II:
[In response to a statement that the major secrets between Xena and
Gabrielle makes for potential big trouble later, Katrina writes:]
Katrina's Xena
Fanfiction
at: http://bearblue.simplenet.com/xenafic.html
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Lunacy on The Debt I & II:
- Impressions
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Morgan Dhu on The
Debt I & II:
Something which has gone almost unremarked in most of the commentary on
The Debt which I have seen to date is that Lao Ma, who is being positioned
as another primary influence, albeit delayed, in Xena's redemption, is in
The Debt revealed to be the true author of the Tao Te Ching, supposedly
written by Lao Tzu.
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Tammy on The Debt:
Over the last two and a half seasons, we as viewers have
participated in the growth and nourishment of a type of relationship that
is not seen on television. A deep caring one between two strong willed
women, Xena and Gabrielle. Each week, we have watched them struggle
to carry out their own private mission and we have felt our own hearts
move as in the process as they grew closer to each other.
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Tracey on
The Debt II
:
I saw Debt II last night, finally. It led me to thinking about how all the
major positive transformative figures in Xena's life are women and how most
of the negative ones have been men.
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