NOTES: Robert TOLMIE, Jr.
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PLEASE NOTE:
A lot of the information that I was able to get ahold of came from
the backs of some old pictures, business cards, etc., that Muriel
Sterner had in her possession.
Born in (Edinburgh or Edinborough), Scotland - according to Muriel
(Gregory) Sterner. However, the Family Registers, kept by the family,
state that Robert was "formerly of Glasgow." So, possible he/they
moved from Glasgow with his father to Liverpool.
Found in amoungst the old papers, letters and pictures in a box that
belonged to Murial Elaine Gregory Sterner were the following items on
the Tolmies:
- Tolmie Bakery Business card (was torn in half as found):
o On the front of the card:
GLASGOW BAKERY
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ROBERT TOLMIE
Family Bread Baker, Confectioner, &c.
32, STANLEY ROAD, BOOTLE
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SHOPS, DINING ROOMS, &C. SUPPLIED.
Tea Parties and School Treats contracted for.
---\\---
--# TERMS MODERATE #--
- Also, written across the front of the card in someone's
handwriting was:
Left in 1897
(Landed in U.S. Dec. 1897)
o On the back, hand-written in cursive:
His firm
Tolmie + made the last
Family Duke of Edinburough's
Wedding
Cake
- Robert/Lydia Tolmie Marriage Certificate COPY (many words deliberately
abbreviated to make this very long document fit across an 80-column
page when printed):
B 38457 M. Cert.
CERTIFIED COPY of an [ royal ] ENTRY OF MARRIAGE --------
Pursuant to the Marriage [ emblem ] Acts, 1836 to 1898. S.R.
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Registration District of WEST DERBY Printed by authority of the Registrar General
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18 75. Marriage Solemnized at Everton United Presbyterian Church Everton
in the District of West Derby and Toxteth Park in the Count[y] of Lancaster.
Columns 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
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No.|When Marr.| Name/Surname |Age|Condition|Rank/Prfsn|Res./time of Marr.|Father Name/Surname|Rank/Prfsn of Fathr
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| Twenty | Robert | | | | | |
| | |28 | Bachelor| Baker | 100 Everton Road | Robert Tolmie | Baker
| first | Tolmie | | | | Everton | (deceased) |
| | |yrs| | | | |
63 | May |--------------|---|---------|----------|------------------|-------------------|-------------------
| |Lydia Smallwood | | | | |
| 1875 |Smith describd|22 | Spinster| - |14 Creswick Street| John Smith | Stone Cutter
| |in license as | | | | Everton | |
| |Lydia Smith |yrs| | | | |
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Married in the Everton United Presbyterian Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the United Presbyter'ns
by license by me,
This marriage /_Robert Tolmie_________\ in the /_William Tolmie__________ _H. T. Howat___________________
was solemnized{ }Presence{ ____James (Ide?)_______________
between us \_Lydia Smallwood Smith_/ of us, \_Margaret H. Smith_______ __________Registrar____________
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I, [stamped name faded/illegible] Superintendent Registrar for the District of WEST DERBY in the County
of ...N LIVERPOOL C.B. BOOTLE do hereby certify that this is a true copy of Entry No. 63 in the Registrar Book
of Marriages No. 56 for the District, and that such Register Book is now legally in my custody.
WITNESS MY HAND this 7th day of December , 19 20. [ unable to decipher signature ] Superintendent Registrar
(QUERY: Was the above "William Tolmie" Robert's brother? Also,
was the above "Margaret H. Smith" Lydia's sister? And, was this
"Margaret H. Smith" also known as "Maggie Smith?")
- Family Registers:
-- FAMILY REGISTER --
(p. 1)
PARENT'S NAMES
and
GENEALOGY
Robert Tolmie, second son of Robert, and
Agnes Tolmie, of Liverpool, formerly of Glasgow,
was Born 1st July 1846.
Lydia Smallwood Tolmie, fifth daughter of John,
and Ann Smith, of Liverpool formerly of
Higher Bebington, Cheshire, was Born 24th April 1853.
Married by license at Queens Rd. Presbyterian
Church, by the Rev. H. T. Howat, 21st May 1875.
(p. 2)
CHILDRENS NAMES
Ann Agnes Tolmie, Born 25th Feby 1877
at 193 (Finnis?) St. London E.C.
Robert Vernon Tolmie, Born 28th Jany 1879
at 9 Ariel St. Bootle Liverpool
George Ernest Fisher Tolmie, Born 11th Nov. 1880
at 221 Mill St. Toxteth Park Lpool
Jane Tansley Tolmie, Born 27th Feby 1883
at 98 Queens Rd. Everton Lpool
Lydia May Tolmie, Born 4th March 1887
at 32 Talbot St. Bootle Lpool
Lillias Fisher Tolmie, Born 4th Feby 1890
at 19 Scott St. Peel Rd. Bootle Liverpool
Percival Clifford Tolmie, Born 17th May 1891
at 15 Scott St. Peel Rd. Bootle
(p. 3)
DEATHS
At 66 Beaumont St. on 26th January 1884 Jane Tansley Tolmie.
Nov 6th 1885 at 297 brown St. Robert Vernon (Bertie) Tolmie.
Feby 28th 1888 at 32 Talbot St. Bootle, Lydia May Tolmie.
June 12th 1890 at 15 Scott St. Bootle, Lillian Fisher Tolmie.
Aug. 29th 1920 at Newark Private Hospital
Robert Tolmie, husband of Lydia Tolmie.
April 20th 1922 at 158 - 3rd St. Newark N.J.
Lydia S. Tolmie, widow of Robert Tolmie.
So, above we have proof of all of the children in the Robert/Lydia
Tolmie family.
- What looks like a SCROLL. This item is EXTREMELY brittle. The stick
around which the papers are wrapped is 8-1/2" long (21-1/2 centimeters)
by 3/4" wide (1-1/2 centimeters). There is an outer grey document wrapped
around more white papers underneath it. The grey paper is Anne Tolmie's
Birth Registration Certificate (original) [see notes for Anne Tolmie for
description]. The inner white document is the Marriage Certificate of
Robert Tolmie Jr. and Lydia Smallwood Smith (the original - for description
of actual text see description of the COPY above).
o The white papers wrapped underneath the outer grey paper are the
ORIGINAL Marriage Certificate for the Robert Tolmie/Lydia Smith
marriage. It had been torn into three pieces, apparently deliber-
ately, so that the Certificate would fit around the wooden dowel.
The top torn half of the Certificate had again been torn in half
to make two pieces, while the leftover bottom portion of the Cer-
tificate made up the third part as a longer piece.
The following books were found in the bookshelf of Murial Gregory
Sterner at home.
1) Lydia Smith Bible:
o Back inside cover newspaper clipping:
TOLMIE-SMITH--May 21, by license, at the Queen's-road United Pres-
byterian Church, by the Rev. H.T. Howat. Mr. Robert Tolmie, 100,
Everton-road, to Lydia Smallwood, fifth daughter of Mr. John Smith,
late of Higher Bebington, and granddaughter of the late Mr. A.E.
Clarke, late of her Majesty's customs, Greenock. (Scotch papers
please copy.)
o Front inside cover newspaper clipping about the reception for the
Tolmie's silver wedding anniversary -- The "PATERSON N.J. U.S.A."
across the top, and "21st MAY 1900" along the bottom were hand-
written by someone. Another duplicate of the same clipping was
found in amoungst the boxes of papers also in the possession of
Murial Gregory Sterner:
PATERSON --- N.J. U.S.A.
A very pleasant reception was held at the home of Mr. and Mrs.
Robert Tolmie, Rip Van Winkle avenue, on Monday evening last, when
over forty of thier friends came to help them celebrate thier sil-
ver wedding anniversary. Mr. and Mrs. Tolmie came to this country
from England a little over two years ago, and have resided most of
the time named, in Haledon, where, judging from the presence of the
many friends, who so readily responded to Mr. and Mrs. Tolmie's in-
vitation, is proof of the popularity and esteem in which they are
held. One interesting feature of the evening was the presenting of
a very handsome silver cake basket, by the members of the Lady's
Aid society of Cedar Cliff M. E. church, and a very pretty gold and
opal pin, by Joseph Atkinson, superintendent of the above Sunday
school. The host and hostess were the recipients of many other
substantial presents in silver. The following is a list of those
present: Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Atkinson, Rev. W. W. Vanderhoff, Mrs.
Vanderhoff, Miss Edna Vanderhoff, Mr. and Mrs. Robert McQuillan,
Mr. and Mrs. John Mutler, John Ross, Mr. and Mrs. Joseph Chambers,
Mr. and Mrs. Courter, Mrs. Rude, Mrs. Bartlett, Mr. and Mrs. Archi-
bald Love, Miss Mary Love, Miss Lizzie Love, Miss A. Donaldson, Mr.
and Mrs. H. E. Planck, Clifford Myers, Mr. O'Harra, Mr. and Mrs.
Freudenthal, Misses Teressa and Jennie McBride, Lillie Pierce of
Orange, S. Percy Brown of Maplewood, Mr. Goldsmith and Mr. Styne of
New York state, Mrs. James Bratt, Mrs. Hart, Mrs. John Sweet, Mr.
and Mrs. W. H. Bratt of Newark, Misses Alice Ruth and Edith Bratt,
Mrs. Nettie Bratt.
21st MAY ------------------------------------- 1900
o Between back cover and last page was slipped a funeral notice on
a white card with black trim - with very beautiful "doily-like"
designs:
In Memory Of
SARAH POWELL SCOTT
Relict of the late William Scott, of Port Glasgow, and eldest daughter
of the late Henry E. Clarke, of H.M. Customs, Greenock,
Who Departed this Life March 15, 1864,
AGED 61 YEARS,
And was interred at Lower Bebington Church, March 20th, 1864.
So, evidently, Sarah was the sister of Lydia Smith's mother (or so I
gather), since, on the back of the card, barely legible, were scrib-
bled the words:
"Grammy Smith's
sister --"
2) Annie A. (Tolmie) Gregory Bible:
o Newspaper clippings affixed to inside cover:
Mrs. Robert Tolmie, of 265 Walnut street, sailed on Saturday for <--- See article in re.
Europe. She will return in October. (1905)
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TOLMIE--On August 29, 1920, at the Newark Private Hospital, Robert,
beloved husband of Lydia S. Tolmie, and father of Mrs. A.H. Gregory,
Captain E.F. Tolmie and Percy C. Tolmie, in his 75th year. Funeral
private, on Wednesday, from the parlors of Honeywell & Painter. <--- [This would be 1 Sep 1920.]
Internment in Fairmount Cemetary.
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TOLMIE--On April 20, 1922, Lydia S., beloved mother of Mrs. A.H.
Gregory, Captain E.F. Tolmie and Percy C. Tolmie, in her 68th year.
Relatives and friends, also the officers and members of Roseville
Chapter No. 43, O.E.S., are invited to attend the funeral services
at her home, 158 North Third Street, on Saturday, April 22, at 2:30
P.M. Internment in Fairmount Cemetary.
o Hand-written on back of facepage of Bible shows who the Bible
was handed down to along the way:
Annie A. Gregory
25 Feby 1922
From Mother. <--- (Lydia Smallwood Smith Tolmie)
--- "
Murial E. Gregory
From Mother <--- (Anne Agnes Tolmie Gregory)
Search the Scriptures
for in them ye think
ye have Eternal Life.
o Inside back cover of Bible, another newspaper clipping:
GREGORY--On December 8, 1909, Winthrop W., only son of Allen H. and
Annie A. Gregory, aged 9 days. Internment at Fairmount Cemetary this
afternoon.
3) Robert Tolmie's hymnal book, "Wesley's Hymns":
o Inside cover, a label, typed, "Robert Tolmie"
o First blank page:
Mrs. Tolmie
24th April 1890
from R.T.
o Also slipped inside the book are 1) a poem clipped out of a newspaper
dated January 30, 1886, called "TO A TIRED MOTHER" - author anonymous;
and 2) a hand-written poem titled "Friendship," which I'm guessing was
written by Lydia Smallwood Smith, since she was the poet in the family.
!RESIDENCES:
1881: Dwelling: 49 Claypole St
Census Place: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341888 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3709 Folio 19 Page 31
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Robert TOLMIE M 35 M Glasgow
Rel: Head
Occ: Baker & Confectioner
Lydia S. TOLMIE M 27 F Lpool, Lancashire, England
Rel: Wife
Ann A. TOLMIE 4 F London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Dau
Robert V. TOLMIE 2 M Lpool, Lancashire, England
Rel: Son
George E.F. TOLMIE 4 m M Lpool, Lancashire, England
Rel: Son
The following were living at 32 Stanley Rd - the address of
Glasgow Bakery. in 1881. Not known to be relatives...
Dwelling: 32 Stanley Rd
Census Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341862 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3601 Folio 8 Page 10
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Jane WILLIAMS W 53 F Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Housekeeper
Catherine WILLIAMS 15 F Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Dressmaker
William JONES (WILLIAMS) U 21 M Wales
Rel: Nephew
Occ: Joiner
Hugh GRIFFITHS M 25 M Wales
Rel: Boarder
Occ: General Labourer
Jane GRIFFITHS M 27 F Wales
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Housekeeper
John JONES U 22 M Wales
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Stonemason
(Courtesy Rick J , 14 Dec. 2001. From 1881
Lancashire Census Records.)
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- See also:
o Notes for Lydia Smallwood SMITH.
o Notes for Allan Hall GREGORY.
o Notes for Anne Agnes TOLMIE.
o Notes for Percival Clifford TOLMIE.
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